Dear WPATH: I have reviewed the chapter on Adolescents in the draft 8th Edition of the Standards of Care. I have three main impressions of this chapter overall. 1. First, I was struck by WPATH’s complete and utter lack of curiosity about the youth being served. Do you ever wonder why so many kids with neurodevelopmental differences, ADHD, trauma, anorexia, and anxiety show up in the gender diverse population? Isn’t it important to understand why?
One of the things I found surprising on the WPATH site commentary on studies that showed 75% ish of trans women completely loose their libido on hormones and 80%ish loose their libido after an orchiectomy. Is anyone told this before they go down this path? They will need to take viagra before sex, even previously healthy 20-30 year olds!
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Under “Gender Non-Specific Pronouns,” UNC’s DEI office explicitly promotes gender ideology, explaining that “Asking and correctly using someone’s pronouns is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their individuality and gender identity” and describing terms like “Ze/Hir/Hirs,” “Xe/Xem/Xyrs,” and “Ze/Zir/Zirs” as “commonly used pronouns.”
Thank you for this excellent essay. Maybe it could be published as an open letter to WPATH and to the California (and other) Teacher's Union with an ask to desist in grooming, diagnosing and affirming their students - as Nomomomo suggests.
I am not sure what paper would have the courage to print it. Maybe the Washington Examiner or the New York Post?
Do you all think its outside out WPATH's authority to issue a separate statement to public schools asking them to desist in grooming, diagnosing and affirming their students? I wish they would.
This is an awesome essay. I think you should submit it for publication in other venues. More people need to read this. Perhaps you would like to send it to members of Congress and to the White House administration. You write very persuasively. ... I've tried to write up my comments on the proposed standards & each time find myself overcome with emotion. What you've accomplished is very important and needs to be read more widely.
Utterly spot-on, which makes it scathing because the SOC findings and recommendations are so astonishingly bankrupt. Most impressive is your ability to remain focused and measured, even as your child is being hurt. You speak for a multitude, and you have put WPATH on notice. Many thanks.
What a brilliant piece of work! We can only hope that WPATH gives it more than a passing glance, if for no other reason than to take seriously the tsunami of lawsuits soon to be looming on the horizon based on its irrefutable evidence and logic. You could present this in a court of law as an amicus brief. Maybe one day you'll have the chance to do just that.
By the way, thank you for the following quote. It's not usually included as part of the argument, but it is central to it, and it needs to be repeated until the culture regains its sanity:
"We also have to balance the rights of transgender people against the rights of natal women. Balancing transgender and natal women’s rights should not be an oppression competition. We need to look for practical compromises and solutions that acknowledge both group’s needs/rights."
I hope this piece will be circulated widely. People unaware of the issue will be shocked and horrified by what you so clearly describe, and when it reaches politicians and clinicians it will have a powerful impact. Perhaps other Substacks with larger readerships (e.g., Bari Weiss and Abigail Shrier) might reprint it, as well as media outlets and scientists' blogs, for example. Quillette also should be interested in this...they do great work on this topic and this is 100% up to their journalistic standards.
Keep in mind that the context, historically, of the trans movement, are the early statements from a transsexual on the BBC program exploiting this exotic new species, "We are all intersex" and "all heterosexual sex is a desire to be trans". Everyone ignored the nonsense, because "it was so rare". Actually it was just not safe to do all those surgeries, because anesthesia hadn't progressed to allow the lengthy medically unnecessary time under, and we didn't have opioids to get thru the pain after. It's all about marketing the drugs. The question is, how can we make it cool to be natural about sex, preserving childhood? I have some ideas, as an early childhood specialist. You are all welcome to visit my blog, uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com I will be posting with ideas on how to keep the detransition going when it starts. Good luck to you all. Ute
There is a fair amount known about puberty blockers on the male brain. They suppress sexual desire. I'm sure that's going to help young boys get a better understanding of their bodies. Sure it will.
And yes, the same drugs are used for chemical castration, so yes, fertility is "affected" for those considering MTF. There is ignorance as to whether infertility is permanent, if the young person finds that this was the wrong path for them. (No one knows how many of those there are, either.)
It's unclear why these interventions are being made available outside clinical studies with careful oversight, given the lack of understanding of outcomes, trajectories of gender dysphoria with therapy, time, psychiatric support and/or medicalization, and the seriousness of the medical effects (sterilization, bone, heart, brain, endocrine).
See Clayton in Medscape:
"Why are these experimental interventions, with inherent risks and scarce, low-quality evidence for benefits, being implemented outside HREC-regulated clinical trial settings?'"
Yes - you took the time and trouble to point out the illogic, inconsistency, and absurdity of many of WPATH's "guidelines" in a clear and concise manner, with the appropriate - and I'm sure very restrained - amount of outrage. Great job, and please do share with WPATH.
One of the things I found surprising on the WPATH site commentary on studies that showed 75% ish of trans women completely loose their libido on hormones and 80%ish loose their libido after an orchiectomy. Is anyone told this before they go down this path? They will need to take viagra before sex, even previously healthy 20-30 year olds!
This is an outstanding piece of reasoning. Please let us know if WPATH have any response.
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excellent letter
By the way, this Princeton student, Matthew Wilson, is excellent. He must have taken Abigail Shrier's talk to heart:
https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2022/01/from-hiring-to-admissions-universities-seek-ideological-conformity-in-applicants/
One paragraph:
Under “Gender Non-Specific Pronouns,” UNC’s DEI office explicitly promotes gender ideology, explaining that “Asking and correctly using someone’s pronouns is one of the most basic ways to show your respect for their individuality and gender identity” and describing terms like “Ze/Hir/Hirs,” “Xe/Xem/Xyrs,” and “Ze/Zir/Zirs” as “commonly used pronouns.”
Thank you for this excellent essay. Maybe it could be published as an open letter to WPATH and to the California (and other) Teacher's Union with an ask to desist in grooming, diagnosing and affirming their students - as Nomomomo suggests.
I am not sure what paper would have the courage to print it. Maybe the Washington Examiner or the New York Post?
Am am so sorry your teen daughter has been hurt.
Excellent! Thank you.
Do you all think its outside out WPATH's authority to issue a separate statement to public schools asking them to desist in grooming, diagnosing and affirming their students? I wish they would.
This is an awesome essay. I think you should submit it for publication in other venues. More people need to read this. Perhaps you would like to send it to members of Congress and to the White House administration. You write very persuasively. ... I've tried to write up my comments on the proposed standards & each time find myself overcome with emotion. What you've accomplished is very important and needs to be read more widely.
I wish the affirmation harpies would read this...
Utterly spot-on, which makes it scathing because the SOC findings and recommendations are so astonishingly bankrupt. Most impressive is your ability to remain focused and measured, even as your child is being hurt. You speak for a multitude, and you have put WPATH on notice. Many thanks.
What a brilliant piece of work! We can only hope that WPATH gives it more than a passing glance, if for no other reason than to take seriously the tsunami of lawsuits soon to be looming on the horizon based on its irrefutable evidence and logic. You could present this in a court of law as an amicus brief. Maybe one day you'll have the chance to do just that.
By the way, thank you for the following quote. It's not usually included as part of the argument, but it is central to it, and it needs to be repeated until the culture regains its sanity:
"We also have to balance the rights of transgender people against the rights of natal women. Balancing transgender and natal women’s rights should not be an oppression competition. We need to look for practical compromises and solutions that acknowledge both group’s needs/rights."
I hope this piece will be circulated widely. People unaware of the issue will be shocked and horrified by what you so clearly describe, and when it reaches politicians and clinicians it will have a powerful impact. Perhaps other Substacks with larger readerships (e.g., Bari Weiss and Abigail Shrier) might reprint it, as well as media outlets and scientists' blogs, for example. Quillette also should be interested in this...they do great work on this topic and this is 100% up to their journalistic standards.
Keep in mind that the context, historically, of the trans movement, are the early statements from a transsexual on the BBC program exploiting this exotic new species, "We are all intersex" and "all heterosexual sex is a desire to be trans". Everyone ignored the nonsense, because "it was so rare". Actually it was just not safe to do all those surgeries, because anesthesia hadn't progressed to allow the lengthy medically unnecessary time under, and we didn't have opioids to get thru the pain after. It's all about marketing the drugs. The question is, how can we make it cool to be natural about sex, preserving childhood? I have some ideas, as an early childhood specialist. You are all welcome to visit my blog, uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com I will be posting with ideas on how to keep the detransition going when it starts. Good luck to you all. Ute
There is a fair amount known about puberty blockers on the male brain. They suppress sexual desire. I'm sure that's going to help young boys get a better understanding of their bodies. Sure it will.
And yes, the same drugs are used for chemical castration, so yes, fertility is "affected" for those considering MTF. There is ignorance as to whether infertility is permanent, if the young person finds that this was the wrong path for them. (No one knows how many of those there are, either.)
Full speed ahead.... because......?
This was brilliant. So well done. I am so impressed. Really great insights. I will be sharing widely.
It's unclear why these interventions are being made available outside clinical studies with careful oversight, given the lack of understanding of outcomes, trajectories of gender dysphoria with therapy, time, psychiatric support and/or medicalization, and the seriousness of the medical effects (sterilization, bone, heart, brain, endocrine).
See Clayton in Medscape:
"Why are these experimental interventions, with inherent risks and scarce, low-quality evidence for benefits, being implemented outside HREC-regulated clinical trial settings?'"
Yes - you took the time and trouble to point out the illogic, inconsistency, and absurdity of many of WPATH's "guidelines" in a clear and concise manner, with the appropriate - and I'm sure very restrained - amount of outrage. Great job, and please do share with WPATH.